This PalliCHAT, hosted by Dr Mari Geldenhuys and Dr Shannon Odell will take the form of a case-based ethical discussion, highlighting futility and the ethical and practical decisions regarding withdrawal of treatment. Dr Odell will delve into the concept of futility within the realm of life-sustaining therapies, while Dr Geldenhuys will present a compelling ICU case that prompts ethical considerations surrounding futility and its determination.